Atkins diet not working--and thyroid checks out normal--any

Avatar · Joined: 29 Dec 2007 Posts: 13

Hi All:

Well, I've plateau'd on the Atkins diet. Am sticking to less than
20g carbs a day (am very careful about that, no sugar alcohols, no
glycerine, etc), 40g fiber.
I posted here before and people suggested that my thyroid function
might be low, and it seemed a good bet, because my temperature is
usually one degree or so below normal (97.6F). But I just had my
thyroid checked (TSH and T4 tests), and apparently the thyroid is
normal.
Any ideas on why I'm not losing weight? I've been on induction for
nearly three months now, and seem to be losing 3-4 pounds every six
weeks. Not too good.
Also, I'm diabetic, and my blood sugar isn't dropping (it's about
266, way above the target 140).
My next step seems to be portion control. I eat a lot of meat, since
that's about all that Atkins allows on induction (no cheese since
there's 1g carbs per inch cube), and that can mean a lot of fat (as in
hamburger used in low-carb (no tomatoes/beans/etc--just beef broth and
spices) chili). So perhaps the time has come to severly limit
calories?
Am I headed for a low-fat/low-calorie diet???

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Cheri · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 549

Avatar wrote in message ...

> My next step seems to be portion control. I eat a lot of meat,
since
>that's about all that Atkins allows on induction (no cheese since
>there's 1g carbs per inch cube), and that can mean a lot of fat (as
in
>hamburger used in low-carb (no tomatoes/beans/etc--just beef broth
and
>spices) chili). So perhaps the time has come to severly limit
>calories?

Unfortunately, there always has to be a certain amount of portion
control. You say you eat a lot of meat, what is a lot, and what kinds
of meat do you eat?

Cheri

FOB · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 1119

Less meat, more fat, up the carbs slowly. If your blood glucose is that
high you should be taking medication to control it, even 140 isn't good.

Avatar wrote:
| Hi All:
|
| Well, I've plateau'd on the Atkins diet. Am sticking to less than
| 20g carbs a day (am very careful about that, no sugar alcohols, no
| glycerine, etc), 40g fiber.
| I posted here before and people suggested that my thyroid function
| might be low, and it seemed a good bet, because my temperature is
| usually one degree or so below normal (97.6F). But I just had my
| thyroid checked (TSH and T4 tests), and apparently the thyroid is
| normal.
| Any ideas on why I'm not losing weight? I've been on induction for
| nearly three months now, and seem to be losing 3-4 pounds every six
| weeks. Not too good.
| Also, I'm diabetic, and my blood sugar isn't dropping (it's about
| 266, way above the target 140).
| My next step seems to be portion control. I eat a lot of meat, since
| that's about all that Atkins allows on induction (no cheese since
| there's 1g carbs per inch cube), and that can mean a lot of fat (as in
| hamburger used in low-carb (no tomatoes/beans/etc--just beef broth and
| spices) chili). So perhaps the time has come to severly limit
| calories?
| Am I headed for a low-fat/low-calorie diet???

jcderkoeing · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 97

Atkins says you have to exercise.

Just do it.

"Avatar" wrote in message @4ax.com...
> Hi All:
>
> Well, I've plateau'd on the Atkins diet. Am sticking to less than
> 20g carbs a day (am very careful about that, no sugar alcohols, no
> glycerine, etc), 40g fiber.
> I posted here before and people suggested that my thyroid function
> might be low, and it seemed a good bet, because my temperature is
> usually one degree or so below normal (97.6F). But I just had my
> thyroid checked (TSH and T4 tests), and apparently the thyroid is
> normal.
> Any ideas on why I'm not losing weight? I've been on induction for
> nearly three months now, and seem to be losing 3-4 pounds every six
> weeks. Not too good.
> Also, I'm diabetic, and my blood sugar isn't dropping (it's about
> 266, way above the target 140).
> My next step seems to be portion control. I eat a lot of meat, since
> that's about all that Atkins allows on induction (no cheese since
> there's 1g carbs per inch cube), and that can mean a lot of fat (as in
> hamburger used in low-carb (no tomatoes/beans/etc--just beef broth and
> spices) chili). So perhaps the time has come to severly limit
> calories?
> Am I headed for a low-fat/low-calorie diet???
>

Jim · Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 29

jcderkoeing wrote:
> Atkins says you have to exercise.
>
> Just do it.
>
>
> "Avatar" wrote in message
> @4ax.com...
>> Hi All:
>>
>> Well, I've plateau'd on the Atkins diet. Am sticking to less than
>> 20g carbs a day (am very careful about that, no sugar alcohols, no
>> glycerine, etc), 40g fiber.
>> I posted here before and people suggested that my thyroid function
>> might be low, and it seemed a good bet, because my temperature is
>> usually one degree or so below normal (97.6F). But I just had my
>> thyroid checked (TSH and T4 tests), and apparently the thyroid is
>> normal.
>> Any ideas on why I'm not losing weight? I've been on induction for
>> nearly three months now, and seem to be losing 3-4 pounds every six
>> weeks. Not too good.
>> Also, I'm diabetic, and my blood sugar isn't dropping (it's about
>> 266, way above the target 140).
>> My next step seems to be portion control. I eat a lot of meat, since
>> that's about all that Atkins allows on induction (no cheese since
>> there's 1g carbs per inch cube), and that can mean a lot of fat (as in
>> hamburger used in low-carb (no tomatoes/beans/etc--just beef broth and
>> spices) chili). So perhaps the time has come to severly limit
>> calories?
>> Am I headed for a low-fat/low-calorie diet???
>>
>
>

Atkins does recommend that you pick up on carbs to go into the ongowing
weight loss phase (OWL).

If you prefer to stay in induction, even though you have stopped losing
weight, that is up to you. Sometimes, going onto the next phase is a
good idea.

Atkins allows lots of low carb vegetables on induction.

I assume that you have the book.

I assume that you have read the book, and know that your claim about
"meat being about all you can eat on induction" is horseshit.

I assume that you have read where he says almost 9 times that you should
"Eat Till Satisfied, Not Till Satiated."

Do you just stuff yourself with Meat?

"Exercise is Non-Negotiable" is the approximate name of one of his
chapters in his book. You have read that too, I suppose.

trader4 · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 781

On Jan 31, 10:17 pm, Jim wrote:
> jcderkoeing wrote:
> > Atkins says you have to exercise.
>
> > Just do it.
>
> > "Avatar" wrote in message
> >@4ax.com...
> >> Hi All:
>
> >> Well, I've plateau'd on the Atkins diet. Am sticking to less than
> >> 20g carbs a day (am very careful about that, no sugar alcohols, no
> >> glycerine, etc), 40g fiber.
> >> I posted here before and people suggested that my thyroid function
> >> might be low, and it seemed a good bet, because my temperature is
> >> usually one degree or so below normal (97.6F). But I just had my
> >> thyroid checked (TSH and T4 tests), and apparently the thyroid is
> >> normal.
> >> Any ideas on why I'm not losing weight? I've been on induction for
> >> nearly three months now, and seem to be losing 3-4 pounds every six
> >> weeks. Not too good.
> >> Also, I'm diabetic, and my blood sugar isn't dropping (it's about
> >> 266, way above the target 140).
> >> My next step seems to be portion control. I eat a lot of meat, since
> >> that's about all that Atkins allows on induction (no cheese since
> >> there's 1g carbs per inch cube), and that can mean a lot of fat (as in
> >> hamburger used in low-carb (no tomatoes/beans/etc--just beef broth and
> >> spices) chili). So perhaps the time has come to severly limit
> >> calories?
> >> Am I headed for a low-fat/low-calorie diet???
>
> Atkins does recommend that you pick up on carbs to go into the ongowing
> weight loss phase (OWL).
>
> If you prefer to stay in induction, even though you have stopped losing
> weight, that is up to you. Sometimes, going onto the next phase is a
> good idea.
>
> Atkins allows lots of low carb vegetables on induction.
>
> I assume that you have the book.
>
> I assume that you have read the book, and know that your claim about
> "meat being about all you can eat on induction" is horseshit.
>
> I assume that you have read where he says almost 9 times that you should
> "Eat Till Satisfied, Not Till Satiated."
>
> Do you just stuff yourself with Meat?
>
> "Exercise is Non-Negotiable" is the approximate name of one of his
> chapters in his book. You have read that too, I suppose.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

" I've been on induction for
nearly three months now, and seem to be losing 3-4 pounds every six
weeks. Not too good. "

Not real good, but it doesn't equate with not working either. As long
as it continues, you aren't stalled and it is working. I wouldn't get
totally discouraged. At the rate you are going, you'll be down 26 to
35 pounds in a year.

Exactly how much total weight did you lose in this 3 month period?
Is it only 7 lbs based on the average above? Didn't you lose several
pounds of water in the first few days, when ketosis starts, which
happens in every case I've heard of? Do you feel better, less hungry?

Even in induction, Atkins is not pure meat. You can have a decent
amount of salad and LC vegetables. That's where most of the 20g of
carbs should come from. While I would not say you should count
calories, you do need to exercise some portion control and only eat
until your not hungry. Has your appetite diminished? That's one of
the great benefits of LC. But, at the same time, I could still eat a
lot more of many food because they taste good, rather than because I'm
hungry and really need to.

You could also try increasing your carbs a bit. That will allow more
vegetables, which will give you more to eat, keep you fuller, without
adding a lot of calories. A good size chef salad for example. Or a
couple cups of collard greens, green beans, cauliflower, etc. with
dinner.

And then there is more excercise.

Avatar · Joined: 29 Dec 2007 Posts: 13

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:54:00 GMT, "FOB"
wrote:

>Less meat, more fat, up the carbs slowly.

More calories? That can't be right.

>If your blood glucose is that
>high you should be taking medication to control it, even 140 isn't good.

That's with medication.

Aaron Baugher · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 492

Avatar writes:

> Well, I've plateau'd on the Atkins diet. Am sticking to less than
> 20g carbs a day (am very careful about that, no sugar alcohols, no
> glycerine, etc), 40g fiber.
> I posted here before and people suggested that my thyroid function
> might be low, and it seemed a good bet, because my temperature is
> usually one degree or so below normal (97.6F). But I just had my
> thyroid checked (TSH and T4 tests), and apparently the thyroid is
> normal.
> Any ideas on why I'm not losing weight? I've been on induction for
> nearly three months now, and seem to be losing 3-4 pounds every six
> weeks. Not too good.

If you're losing half a pound per week, that's not a plateau; that's
slow weight loss. Some people would say that's the best kind, and
studies do seem to show that people who lose weight slowly are more
likely to keep it off.

It also doesn't sound like you're doing Atkins, since Atkins Induction
only lasts two weeks. I know he says it's okay to stay on Induction
longer if you want to, but if it doesn't seem to be working for you,
doesn't it make sense to stick to the basic plan as he describes it,
without trying out variations?

> Also, I'm diabetic, and my blood sugar isn't dropping (it's about
> 266, way above the target 140).

Yikes. The target is 70-100, by the way. Are you taking insulin? It
sounds like you should be, if extreme low-carb isn't bringing your BG
under control by itself.

> My next step seems to be portion control. I eat a lot of meat, since
> that's about all that Atkins allows on induction (no cheese since
> there's 1g carbs per inch cube), and that can mean a lot of fat (as in
> hamburger used in low-carb (no tomatoes/beans/etc--just beef broth and
> spices) chili). So perhaps the time has come to severly limit
> calories?

I'd say the next step is to get your blood sugar under control. That's
more critical than immediate weight loss, and it's going to be hard to
lose weight anyway with that much glucose playing havoc with your
system. Here's a great resource for getting started on that:

--
Aaron -- 285/253/200 -- aaron.baugher.biz

FOB · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 1119

Well, your medication isn't working, it needs adjusting.

Avatar wrote:
| On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:54:00 GMT, "FOB"
| wrote:
|
|| Less meat, more fat, up the carbs slowly.
|
| More calories? That can't be right.
|
|| If your blood glucose is that
|| high you should be taking medication to control it, even 140 isn't
|| good.
|
| That's with medication.

FOB · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 1119

Avatar wrote:
| Take a look at:
|
| http://www.atkins.com/articles/atkins-phases/phase-one/acceptable-foods

and read down the page: (Note the word should)

Vegetables
You should eat 12-15 net carbs a day of vegetables. These salad vegetables
are high in phytonutrients and provide a good source of fiber:

a.. alfalfa sprouts
b.. daikon
c.. mushrooms
d.. arugula
e.. endive
f.. parsley
g.. bok choy
h.. escarole
i.. peppers
j.. celery
k.. fennel
l.. radicchio
m.. chicory
n.. jicama
o.. radishes
p.. chives
q.. lettuce
r.. romaine lettuce
s.. cucumber
t.. mâche
u.. sorrel

Other Vegetables
Within the 12-15 net carb daily vegetable requirement, these vegetables are
slightly higher in carbohydrate content than the salad vegetables listed
above, but they also provide important nutrients and add variety to your
daily food intake:

a.. artichoke
b.. celery root
c.. pumpkin
d.. artichoke hearts
e.. rhubarb
f.. asparagus
g.. chard
h.. sauerkraut
i.. bamboo shoots
j.. collard greens
k.. scallions
l.. dandelion
m.. snow peas
n.. bean sprouts
o.. dandelion greens
p.. spaghetti squash
q.. beet greens
r.. eggplant
s.. spinach
t.. broccoli
u.. hearts of palm
v.. string or wax beans
w.. broccoli rabe
x.. kale
y.. summer squash
z.. Brussels sprouts
aa.. kohlrabi
ab.. tomato
ac.. bean sprouts
ad.. leeks
ae.. turnips
af.. cabbage
ag.. okra
ah.. water chestnuts
ai.. cauliflower
aj.. onion
ak.. zucchini

FOB · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 1119

Excess protein will convert to glucose raising your BG which is obviously a
problem for you. More fat will replace the meat calories and may suppress
your appetite better.

Avatar wrote:
| On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:54:00 GMT, "FOB"
| wrote:
|
|| Less meat, more fat, up the carbs slowly.
|
| More calories? That can't be right.
|
|| If your blood glucose is that
|| high you should be taking medication to control it, even 140 isn't
|| good.
|
| That's with medication.

Viking · Joined: 30 Dec 2007 Posts: 6

On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 12:17:26 -0500, Susan
wrote:

>>>If your blood glucose is that
>>>high you should be taking medication to control it, even 140 isn't good.
>>
>>
>> That's with medication.
>
>Then you should RUN, not walk, to an endocrinologist for testing of both
>your insulin producing capacity and for screening for Cushing's disease.

Have just been diagnosed. We're still working on checking the effects
of various medicines. Am now trying Januvia (sp?) which brought my
glucose down 1/3 of the way that it needs to come down.

Viking · Joined: 30 Dec 2007 Posts: 6

On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 12:18:30 -0500, Susan
wrote:

>x-no-archive: yes
>
>FOB wrote:
>> Excess protein will convert to glucose raising your BG which is obviously a
>> problem for you.
>
>
>Not in a type 2, as a rule. Protein rarely budges glucose levels in
>most type 2s.

You sure of that? Any URLs? Thanks.

Susan · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 29

Viking wrote:
> On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 12:17:26 -0500, Susan
> wrote:
>
>
>>>>If your blood glucose is that
>>>>high you should be taking medication to control it, even 140 isn't good.
>>>
>>>
>>>That's with medication.
>>
>>Then you should RUN, not walk, to an endocrinologist for testing of both
>>your insulin producing capacity and for screening for Cushing's disease.
>
>
> Have just been diagnosed. We're still working on checking the effects
> of various medicines. Am now trying Januvia (sp?) which brought my
> glucose down 1/3 of the way that it needs to come down.
>

Hollywood · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 132

On Feb 1, 9:41 am, Aaron Baugher wrote:
> It also doesn't sound like you're doing Atkins, since Atkins Induction
> only lasts two weeks. I know he says it's okay to stay on Induction
> longer if you want to, but if it doesn't seem to be working for you,
> doesn't it make sense to stick to the basic plan as he describes it,
> without trying out variations?

Old argument, but Atkins induction CAN last only two weeks. It
CAN also last up to six months according to my edition of DANDR.
I believe Dr. A suggested that if you had a lot of weight to lose, you
might want to continue Induction for longer than 2 weeks. So,
on this, at least, the OP is doing Atkins. He might want to tweak it.
And he might want to look into the 2+1 or 3 cups of veggies version
of induction instead of the "bacon and brie" version.

I suspect OP might be a troll. If he has the book, the pre-death
versions of DANDR made the veggies mandatory. The current
versions make it strong suggestion, apparently. Either way,
it'd be hard to miss in a book format.

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