PING: Roger Question on Spinning and Hypo'ing

Laureen · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 9

Hey Rog,
I'm still doing it. I have myself up to one hour. I do 10 minute
bursts and then gear down and pedal steady for 10 but with a bit less
resistance to relax my thighs a bit as they get a bit tight with the
bursts. Anyhoo. I'm hypoing AFTER I'm all done. I dont do it while
spinning but crash afterwards. I hit 54 this am! I feel so awful and
scared as I can't think or see straight, sweat profusely, and of
course when the sugar drops the adrenalin kicks in and I shake like
crazy. I have resorted to drinking 4 ounces of OJ at times or I eat
three of those pre-done Austin brand peanut butter and crackers we
have around ( I take them outdoor biking too for the bonk)

Since I don't rely on carbs for energy I have been doing a LC protein
shake before I peddle. I hate to eat afterwards but got to thinking
maybe I'm doing it backwards or maybe I should eat before and after.
Am I doing something wrong here? Am I spinning too long? Eating the
wrong thing before or after? How do you sustain your sugars when
exercise makes your sugar drop? I really hate ingesting the waste of
carbs like in the OJ. I'm so careful with staying LC.

I usally eat a rye cracker and a slice of Havarti, drink a shake, or
eat a light yogurt befroe spinning.

I generally do 50 carbs a day and a yogurt is 18 carbs. I do 4 Scitec
coconut chocolate 100cal shakes mixed with water only and they have 4
carbs each.
Then for example I eat pure meat like roasted chicken, smoked salmon,
tuna, pork chop, roast beef etc, cheeses....salad, raw veggies and
sour cream dip etc through the day. I eat anywhere from 800 to 1200
cals a day, with the higher cals coming from the pure meats and
cheese. Eating is pretty boring and a dull deal now ( IMAGINE THAT)
when 4 or 5 bites fills you up, food is not big dealanymore. It's
sustainance that's all.

I value your advice.
TIA Laureen

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Roger Zoul · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 4659

Hi Laureen,

My experience suggests that for me, I will hypo if I do a certain level of
exercise (intensity and duration) after LCing enough to get
depleted glycogen stores. This is not uncommon when one exercises and
that's why things like TKD and CKD were
devised (ways to get more carbs to sustain intense exercise).

The TKD method, which is probably best for you, would be to either have some
carbs before or after exercise, or perhaps both.
Also, the type of carbs matters too. Straight glucose will basically go to
the muscles...things like sweet tarts (Smarties) work well for that. This
avoids refilling the liver and allows your body resume normal LC activity
(resume ketosis) quicker after exercise. Fructose will tend to refill liver
stores and thus knock you out of ketosis for longer. Table sugar is about
half and half.

Some people say it is best to take in the at least some carbs after so that
you're ready for the next workout. It might be a matter of getting the
right amount of carbs to avoid the low afterwards yet have something left
for next time. Taking some fast acting carbs (OJ would be that, but it may
have lots of fruit-based sugars) 15 minutes before and then some after may
be the best. Other info says a combined protein/carb meal within a
30-minute window after finishing has optimal benefit. That's not strictly
TKD, though.

I don't know if you can stand dealing with those smartie things. Very tart,
sweet, and you have to wonder if thats good nutrition. Yet, they do provide
the right kind of fast-acting sugar. But the idea is to burn those calories
and more during your workout and get your nutrition in the other calories
you consume. Keep in mind that the hard parts of the workout tend to burn
the fast-acting carbs while the easy parts tend to rely on fat -- to a
greater degree anyhow. Switching modes inside the body does take a certain
amount of time, but I think a body tends to keep fast-acting glucose stores
available for intense work rather than burn it all and have to rely on fat
for energy -- it converts too slowly to keep you going and that can lead to
the bonk - or an exercise induced hypo.

The other option is to back down on intensity, duration, or some
combination. When you do that you don't drain glycogen stores so much but
still burn calories. Not as good a workout, IMO, but it does beat going
into a hypo by a mile.

I have never found that protein works for me if I'm depleted and start doing
intense exercise. It simply won't convert fast enough to be of any use.
Now, eating sufficient amounts ahead of time (like days or weeks) and over
longer stretches might keep you less depleted, but IMO it's unless as a
source of fast carbs.

On your calorie level and combined with LCing...the fact that your exercise
program is driving you to repeated hypos suggests you need a higher carb
intake overall. How you do that is then the question. A TKD approach
accomplishes that. A different mix % wise does too. Remember, 25g of carbs
is only 100 cals. This can be matched against your daily energy output and
food consumption to either achieve weight loss or to maintain. If you're a
T2DM, keep those extra carbs in the evening or very near the exercise period
to lessen the impact of BG swings on organs.

HTH and good luck!

"Laureen" wrote in message @i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> Hey Rog,
> I'm still doing it. I have myself up to one hour. I do 10 minute
> bursts and then gear down and pedal steady for 10 but with a bit less
> resistance to relax my thighs a bit as they get a bit tight with the
> bursts. Anyhoo. I'm hypoing AFTER I'm all done. I dont do it while
> spinning but crash afterwards. I hit 54 this am! I feel so awful and
> scared as I can't think or see straight, sweat profusely, and of
> course when the sugar drops the adrenalin kicks in and I shake like
> crazy. I have resorted to drinking 4 ounces of OJ at times or I eat
> three of those pre-done Austin brand peanut butter and crackers we
> have around ( I take them outdoor biking too for the bonk)
>
> Since I don't rely on carbs for energy I have been doing a LC protein
> shake before I peddle. I hate to eat afterwards but got to thinking
> maybe I'm doing it backwards or maybe I should eat before and after.
> Am I doing something wrong here? Am I spinning too long? Eating the
> wrong thing before or after? How do you sustain your sugars when
> exercise makes your sugar drop? I really hate ingesting the waste of
> carbs like in the OJ. I'm so careful with staying LC.
>
> I usally eat a rye cracker and a slice of Havarti, drink a shake, or
> eat a light yogurt befroe spinning.
>
> I generally do 50 carbs a day and a yogurt is 18 carbs. I do 4 Scitec
> coconut chocolate 100cal shakes mixed with water only and they have 4
> carbs each.
> Then for example I eat pure meat like roasted chicken, smoked salmon,
> tuna, pork chop, roast beef etc, cheeses....salad, raw veggies and
> sour cream dip etc through the day. I eat anywhere from 800 to 1200
> cals a day, with the higher cals coming from the pure meats and
> cheese. Eating is pretty boring and a dull deal now ( IMAGINE THAT)
> when 4 or 5 bites fills you up, food is not big dealanymore. It's
> sustainance that's all.
>
> I value your advice.
> TIA Laureen

Laureen · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 9

On Feb 13, 12:08 pm, "Roger Zoul" wrote:
> Hi Laureen,
>
> My experience suggests that for me, I will hypo if I do a certain level of
> exercise (intensity and duration) after LCing enough to get
> depleted glycogen stores. This is not uncommon when one exercises and
> that's why things like TKD and CKD were
> devised (ways to get more carbs to sustain intense exercise).
>
> The TKD method, which is probably best for you, would be to either have some
> carbs before or after exercise, or perhaps both.
> Also, the type of carbs matters too. Straight glucose will basically go to
> the muscles...things like sweet tarts (Smarties) work well for that. This
> avoids refilling the liver and allows your body resume normal LC activity
> (resume ketosis) quicker after exercise. Fructose will tend to refill liver
> stores and thus knock you out of ketosis for longer. Table sugar is about
> half and half.
>
> Some people say it is best to take in the at least some carbs after so that
> you're ready for the next workout. It might be a matter of getting the
> right amount of carbs to avoid the low afterwards yet have something left
> for next time. Taking some fast acting carbs (OJ would be that, but it may
> have lots of fruit-based sugars) 15 minutes before and then some after may
> be the best. Other info says a combined protein/carb meal within a
> 30-minute window after finishing has optimal benefit. That's not strictly
> TKD, though.
>
> I don't know if you can stand dealing with those smartie things. Very tart,
> sweet, and you have to wonder if thats good nutrition. Yet, they do provide
> the right kind of fast-acting sugar. But the idea is to burn those calories
> and more during your workout and get your nutrition in the other calories
> you consume. Keep in mind that the hard parts of the workout tend to burn
> the fast-acting carbs while the easy parts tend to rely on fat -- to a
> greater degree anyhow. Switching modes inside the body does take a certain
> amount of time, but I think a body tends to keep fast-acting glucose stores
> available for intense work rather than burn it all and have to rely on fat
> for energy -- it converts too slowly to keep you going and that can lead to
> the bonk - or an exercise induced hypo.
>
> The other option is to back down on intensity, duration, or some
> combination. When you do that you don't drain glycogen stores so much but
> still burn calories. Not as good a workout, IMO, but it does beat going
> into a hypo by a mile.
>
> I have never found that protein works for me if I'm depleted and start doing
> intense exercise. It simply won't convert fast enough to be of any use.
> Now, eating sufficient amounts ahead of time (like days or weeks) and over
> longer stretches might keep you less depleted, but IMO it's unless as a
> source of fast carbs.
>
> On your calorie level and combined with LCing...the fact that your exercise
> program is driving you to repeated hypos suggests you need a higher carb
> intake overall. How you do that is then the question. A TKD approach
> accomplishes that. A different mix % wise does too. Remember, 25g of carbs
> is only 100 cals. This can be matched against your daily energy output and
> food consumption to either achieve weight loss or to maintain. If you're a
> T2DM, keep those extra carbs in the evening or very near the exercise period
> to lessen the impact of BG swings on organs.
>
> HTH and good luck!
>
> "Laureen" wrote in message
>
> @i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > Hey Rog,
> > I'm still doing it. I have myself up to one hour. I do 10 minute
> > bursts and then gear down and pedal steady for 10 but with a bit less
> > resistance to relax my thighs a bit as they get a bit tight with the
> > bursts. Anyhoo. I'm hypoing AFTER I'm all done. I dont do it while
> > spinning but crash afterwards. I hit 54 this am! I feel so awful and
> > scared as I can't think or see straight, sweat profusely, and of
> > course when the sugar drops the adrenalin kicks in and I shake like
> > crazy. I have resorted to drinking 4 ounces of OJ at times or I eat
> > three of those pre-done Austin brand peanut butter and crackers we
> > have around ( I take them outdoor biking too for the bonk)
>
> > Since I don't rely on carbs for energy I have been doing a LC protein
> > shake before I peddle. I hate to eat afterwards but got to thinking
> > maybe I'm doing it backwards or maybe I should eat before and after.
> > Am I doing something wrong here? Am I spinning too long? Eating the
> > wrong thing before or after? How do you sustain your sugars when
> > exercise makes your sugar drop? I really hate ingesting the waste of
> > carbs like in the OJ. I'm so careful with staying LC.
>
> > I usally eat a rye cracker and a slice of Havarti, drink a shake, or
> > eat a light yogurt befroe spinning.
>
> > I generally do 50 carbs a day and a yogurt is 18 carbs. I do 4 Scitec
> > coconut chocolate 100cal shakes mixed with water only and they have 4
> > carbs each.
> > Then for example I eat pure meat like roasted chicken, smoked salmon,
> > tuna, pork chop, roast beef etc, cheeses....salad, raw veggies and
> > sour cream dip etc through the day. I eat anywhere from 800 to 1200
> > cals a day, with the higher cals coming from the pure meats and
> > cheese. Eating is pretty boring and a dull deal now ( IMAGINE THAT)
> > when 4 or 5 bites fills you up, food is not big dealanymore. It's
> > sustainance that's all.
>
> > I value your advice.
> > TIA Laureen- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Are you talking one wrapped pack of Smarties? I could do that. I have
eaten 4 Mentos to bump me back up and not bonked afterward from the
quick drop.
I'm going to try that and maybe increasing my carbs by 25 grams like
incorperating 1/2 of a multigrain tortilla with some meat rather than
the meat alone of with lettuce? I would have to eat gobs of veggies
for the added carbs and there is price to pay for that one IFYKWIM

I knew you would have a suggestion. You're such a Fart Smeller... I
mean a Smart Feller!!!!!

So, tomorrow I'm going to drink a protein drink a half hour before,
eat a pack of Smarties, do my thing then have some protein and carbs
after and see how I fair K? I get 3 10 minute bursts out of the hour.
Maybe I should cut down to 2 ? What do you think? Want me to get back
at you?
Thanks Rog!
Laureen

Roger Zoul · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 4659

Don't know what's wrong with my OE...seems to be weirding out with
quoting...

But yeah, that's what i'm talking about...those candies we'd get at
Halloween. I can't remember right now, but I think you get 5g of carbs per
pack...so one pack may not be enough. There are other ways to do it, but
the TKD notion is just smallish amounts...just pay attention to the type of
sugar you're getting...The Smarties are dextrose, as I recall, which is an
older name for glucose. I have bags of dextrose in powder form...not nearly
as sweet as sugar....

I think whether you cut back or not depends on what you're goals are. Also,
there are many things you can do. For example, instead of doing 10-minutes
on high, you can do 1 minute on super high and 3 on low, and then repeat
that over and over. The idea about super high vs high is that you can't do
10-minutes on super high. See how that works? Mixing things up some is a
good idea, too.

Take good notes and see what works for you. I'm sure you can work it, girl!
Smile

Sure...get back to us! Come spring you will be a force to be reckoned with.

"Laureen" wrote in message

Are you talking one wrapped pack of Smarties? I could do that. I have
eaten 4 Mentos to bump me back up and not bonked afterward from the
quick drop.
I'm going to try that and maybe increasing my carbs by 25 grams like
incorperating 1/2 of a multigrain tortilla with some meat rather than
the meat alone of with lettuce? I would have to eat gobs of veggies
for the added carbs and there is price to pay for that one IFYKWIM

I knew you would have a suggestion. You're such a Fart Smeller... I
mean a Smart Feller!!!!!

So, tomorrow I'm going to drink a protein drink a half hour before,
eat a pack of Smarties, do my thing then have some protein and carbs
after and see how I fair K? I get 3 10 minute bursts out of the hour.
Maybe I should cut down to 2 ? What do you think? Want me to get back
at you?
Thanks Rog!
Laureen

Laureen · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 9

On Feb 13, 1:23 pm, "Roger Zoul" wrote:
> Don't know what's wrong with my OE...seems to be weirding out with
> quoting...
>
> But yeah, that's what i'm talking about...those candies we'd get at
> Halloween. I can't remember right now, but I think you get 5g of carbs per
> pack...so one pack may not be enough. There are other ways to do it, but
> the TKD notion is just smallish amounts...just pay attention to the type of
> sugar you're getting...The Smarties are dextrose, as I recall, which is an
> older name for glucose. I have bags of dextrose in powder form...not nearly
> as sweet as sugar....
>
> I think whether you cut back or not depends on what you're goals are. Also,
> there are many things you can do. For example, instead of doing 10-minutes
> on high, you can do 1 minute on super high and 3 on low, and then repeat
> that over and over. The idea about super high vs high is that you can't do
> 10-minutes on super high. See how that works? Mixing things up some is a
> good idea, too.
>
> Take good notes and see what works for you. I'm sure you can work it, girl!
> Smile

>
> Sure...get back to us! Come spring you will be a force to be reckoned with.
>
> "Laureen" wrote in message
>
>
>
> Are you talking one wrapped pack of Smarties? I could do that. I have
> eaten 4 Mentos to bump me back up and not bonked afterward from the
> quick drop.
> I'm going to try that and maybe increasing my carbs by 25 grams like
> incorperating 1/2 of a multigrain tortilla with some meat rather than
> the meat alone of with lettuce? I would have to eat gobs of veggies
> for the added carbs and there is price to pay for that one IFYKWIM
>
>
> I knew you would have a suggestion. You're such a Fart Smeller... I
> mean a Smart Feller!!!!!
>
> So, tomorrow I'm going to drink a protein drink a half hour before,
> eat a pack of Smarties, do my thing then have some protein and carbs
> after and see how I fair K? I get 3 10 minute bursts out of the hour.
> Maybe I should cut down to 2 ? What do you think? Want me to get back
> at you?
> Thanks Rog!
> Laureen

You know, I forgot to tell you something. When I was doing Curves the
resistance training firmed up my arms. I have some loose skin but
amazingly enough, it isnt a gross amount and too jiggly. It filled in
a bit with lean muscle mass. SURPRISE.
But.... I swear to you Rog I could crack walnuts with my thighs about
now! I have gained a half inch on both of them since riding came into
my life. I'm thinking about going back to the resistance training too
and alternating. I know its a good thing to switch out. I hear 3 to 4
times a week is good for a work out but I am truly addicted and
obsessed now! I HAVE to do something each day. Sometimes its a short
walk and a short ride. Sometimes its doing crunches on my ball ( You
know those big rubber exercise balls?) I also have a miniature
trampoline and I bounce, twist, do jumping jacks, and do berry pickers
etc on it while listening t of all things "Slim Shady" EmEm. I have
to do that one while the little one is school because of the naughty
language. Im so free now and I am everywhere LOL! Love it!!!

jcderkoeing · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 97

"Laureen" wrote in message @i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> Hey Rog,
> crazy. I have resorted to drinking 4 ounces of OJ at times or I eat
> crackers we
> have around ( I take them outdoor biking too for the bonk)
>

OJ and crackers in not low carb, idiot.

jcderkoeing · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 97

"Laureen" wrote in message @l32g2000hse.googlegroups.com...

> Smarties? I could do that. I have
>eaten 4 Mentos I'm going to try that and incorperating a tortilla

Smarties, Mentos, and tortillas are not low carb, idiot.

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