Steel Cut Oats

dkw12002 · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 242

We had a discussion a few months ago about steel cut oats, and after
buying them on-sale for $2.56 for 24 oz. (Bob's Red Mill brand) when I
could...otherwise they are $2.89 a package plus tax, I finally decided
to buy them in bulk and ordered 50 pounds for $53 (including shipping,
no tax) online at Honeyville Food. That price puts them at $1.66 for
24 oz. I just hope they aren't from China, or I might just feed them
to my dog...no wait! Since I use 6-7 servings of oats a day, the 50
pounds should last about 3 months. If anyone else buys bulk grains,
what co. do you like. I've never done this before. dkw

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Doug Freyburger · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 168

"dkw12...@yahoo.com" wrote:
>
> We had a discussion a few months ago about steel cut oats, and after
> buying them on-sale for $2.56 for 24 oz. (Bob's Red Mill brand) when I
> could...otherwise they are $2.89 a package plus tax, I finally decided
> to buy them in bulk and ordered 50 pounds for $53 (including shipping,
> no tax) online at Honeyville Food.

Fifty pounds. I've never even bought beans in such large bags.

> That price puts them at $1.66 for
> 24 oz. I just hope they aren't from China, or I might just feed them
> to my dog...

Grain is not good for dogs. Humans evolved from fruit eaters to
omnivores. Dogs evolved from meat eaters to omnivores. Neither
has completed that evolutionary path. If you're going to dump it,
dump it one one of the other types of animals.

> no wait! Since I use 6-7 servings of oats a day, the 50
> pounds should last about 3 months. If anyone else buys bulk grains,
> what co. do you like. I've never done this before.

I've gotten steel cut oats from a bulk store, but my household goes
through it far more slowly than yours. My wife likes it weekly, I
like it monthly. I figure the way you did it is likely the way the
store did it.

dkw12002 · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 242

On Feb 8, 9:28 am, Doug Freyburger wrote:
> "dkw12...@yahoo.com" wrote:
>
> > We had a discussion a few months ago about steel cut oats, and after
> > buying them on-sale for $2.56 for 24 oz. (Bob's Red Mill brand) when I
> > could...otherwise they are $2.89 a package plus tax, I finally decided
> > to buy them in bulk and ordered 50 pounds for $53 (including shipping,
> > no tax) online at Honeyville Food.
>
> Fifty pounds. I've never even bought beans in such large bags.
>
> > That price puts them at $1.66 for
> > 24 oz. I just hope they aren't from China, or I might just feed them
> > to my dog...
>
> Grain is not good for dogs. Humans evolved from fruit eaters to
> omnivores. Dogs evolved from meat eaters to omnivores. Neither
> has completed that evolutionary path. If you're going to dump it,
> dump it one one of the other types of animals.
>
> > no wait! Since I use 6-7 servings of oats a day, the 50
> > pounds should last about 3 months. If anyone else buys bulk grains,
> > what co. do you like. I've never done this before.
>
> I've gotten steel cut oats from a bulk store, but my household goes
> through it far more slowly than yours. My wife likes it weekly, I
> like it monthly. I figure the way you did it is likely the way the
> store did it.

I haven't seen oats packaged that way, but I've seen 50 pounds of rice
a couple of times in grocery stores. 50 lb. bags seems to be the max.
weight. I suppose a strong person can load and unload those from
pallets, not to mention the UPS people handling it.

You could be right about grains not being good for dogs, but there are
lots of opionions otherwise from experts. Most dog food does contain
grains of some kind, and a few formulas are vegetarian. It wouldn't be
all that natural for a dog for sure, but I have read where they do eat
plants in the wild, mostly by eating the stomach contents of
herbivores. It is amazing how widely the opinions are on what
constitutes a good diet for dogs. It's every bit as controversial as
what is good for humans. Chinese poison doesn't appear to help the
quality of either though.

Owning a farm, I can tell you that the largest cost of grain either
wholesale or retail is the packaging, handling and selling (profit) of
all the people past the farmer but not what the farmer gets if they
even show a profit. It costs a farmer about $2.50 a bushel to grow
oats, and he/she gets only slightly more than that to harvest it. A
bushel of oats weighs 32 pounds. dkw

Doug Freyburger · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 168

"dkw12...@yahoo.com" wrote:
>
> I haven't seen oats packaged that way, but I've seen 50 pounds of rice
> a couple of times in grocery stores. 50 lb. bags seems to be the max.
> weight. I suppose a strong person can load and unload those from
> pallets, not to mention the UPS people handling it.

I lug 40 and 50 pounds of salt for the driveway ice so 50 pounds
does seem to be the limit. I've also seen 50 pound sacks of
flour for use by professional bakers. The only bulk oats I've seen
have been in the bins at health food stores and by the truckload
at farms for planting. As a kid with family in dairy country I saw
a lot more feed corn and clover planted than anything else but I
have seen a few fields of oats planted.

> You could be right about grains not being good for dogs, but there are
> lots of opionions otherwise from experts. Most dog food does contain
> grains of some kind,

The trouble is those experts often work for the dog food
companies selling dog food so they have financial pressure
to favor cheap grain. I'd rather ask a veterinarian who's more
interested in prevention without the bias. My brother's a
veterinarian and he eventually ended up selling Nutro Max
at his clinic because it's the lowest in grain content among
the many available brands. That still does give him a
financial bias, though.

> and a few formulas are vegetarian.

Easily dismissed as a boutique product for brain damaged
PETA idiots who think there is such a thing as a vegitarian
dog if they manage to feed their dog vegitarian food. There
is no such thing as a vegitarian dog and I think attempting
to make a dog vegitarian counts as abuse. Cats will go
blind if forced to eat vegitarian chow - They aren't as evolved
toward omnivores as dogs are.

> It wouldn't be all that natural for a dog for sure,

Dogs being the second most domesticated animal type after
humans, what is natural for them isn't something that can
be determined easily.

> but I have read where they do eat
> plants in the wild, mostly by eating the stomach contents of
> herbivores.

This suggests that they are closer to carnivores than many
humans think - Dogs gone wild do figure out their own food
without human help. But dogs do well with a significant amount
of plant matter mixed into their diets - Dogs have had a while
to evolve to eating table scraps.

Is there such a thing as "humans gone wild"? And if so what
do they eat? The closest approximation is still fat from wild -
hunter gatherer societies. They tend to eat anything up to
and including rocks. Well, maybe not rocks but certainly
stuff I'd never think of as food.

> It is amazing how widely the opinions are on what
> constitutes a good diet for dogs. It's every bit as controversial as
> what is good for humans.

Both are domesticated so much that "natural" doesn't make
sense for them.

> Chinese poison doesn't appear to help the
> quality of either though.

And how.

> Owning a farm, I can tell you that the largest cost of grain either
> wholesale or retail is the packaging, handling and selling (profit) of
> all the people past the farmer but not what the farmer gets if they
> even show a profit. It costs a farmer about $2.50 a bushel to grow
> oats, and he/she gets only slightly more than that to harvest it. A
> bushel of oats weighs 32 pounds.

I know that diary farming is a very low profit percentage business
so I can imagine that grain farming is even lower.

Del Cecchi · Joined: 14 Dec 2007 Posts: 11

dkw12002@yahoo.com wrote:
> We had a discussion a few months ago about steel cut oats, and after
> buying them on-sale for $2.56 for 24 oz. (Bob's Red Mill brand) when I
> could...otherwise they are $2.89 a package plus tax, I finally decided
> to buy them in bulk and ordered 50 pounds for $53 (including shipping,
> no tax) online at Honeyville Food. That price puts them at $1.66 for
> 24 oz. I just hope they aren't from China, or I might just feed them
> to my dog...no wait! Since I use 6-7 servings of oats a day, the 50
> pounds should last about 3 months. If anyone else buys bulk grains,
> what co. do you like. I've never done this before. dkw
I buy them from the local food coop. I think they charge 69c/lb,
similar to what they charge for the various types of rolled oats.

del

Del Cecchi · Joined: 14 Dec 2007 Posts: 11

dkw12002@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Feb 8, 9:28 am, Doug Freyburger wrote:
>> "dkw12...@yahoo.com" wrote:
>>
>>> We had a discussion a few months ago about steel cut oats, and after
>>> buying them on-sale for $2.56 for 24 oz. (Bob's Red Mill brand) when I
>>> could...otherwise they are $2.89 a package plus tax, I finally decided
>>> to buy them in bulk and ordered 50 pounds for $53 (including shipping,
>>> no tax) online at Honeyville Food.
>> Fifty pounds. I've never even bought beans in such large bags.
>>
>>> That price puts them at $1.66 for
>>> 24 oz. I just hope they aren't from China, or I might just feed them
>>> to my dog...
>> Grain is not good for dogs. Humans evolved from fruit eaters to
>> omnivores. Dogs evolved from meat eaters to omnivores. Neither
>> has completed that evolutionary path. If you're going to dump it,
>> dump it one one of the other types of animals.
>>
>>> no wait! Since I use 6-7 servings of oats a day, the 50
>>> pounds should last about 3 months. If anyone else buys bulk grains,
>>> what co. do you like. I've never done this before.
>> I've gotten steel cut oats from a bulk store, but my household goes
>> through it far more slowly than yours. My wife likes it weekly, I
>> like it monthly. I figure the way you did it is likely the way the
>> store did it.
>
> I haven't seen oats packaged that way, but I've seen 50 pounds of rice
> a couple of times in grocery stores. 50 lb. bags seems to be the max.
> weight. I suppose a strong person can load and unload those from
> pallets, not to mention the UPS people handling it.
>
> You could be right about grains not being good for dogs, but there are
> lots of opionions otherwise from experts. Most dog food does contain
> grains of some kind, and a few formulas are vegetarian. It wouldn't be
> all that natural for a dog for sure, but I have read where they do eat
> plants in the wild, mostly by eating the stomach contents of
> herbivores. It is amazing how widely the opinions are on what
> constitutes a good diet for dogs. It's every bit as controversial as
> what is good for humans. Chinese poison doesn't appear to help the
> quality of either though.
>
> Owning a farm, I can tell you that the largest cost of grain either
> wholesale or retail is the packaging, handling and selling (profit) of
> all the people past the farmer but not what the farmer gets if they
> even show a profit. It costs a farmer about $2.50 a bushel to grow
> oats, and he/she gets only slightly more than that to harvest it. A
> bushel of oats weighs 32 pounds. dkw

About 3.25 to 3.50 a bushel for oats at the moment

EastTXisGr8 · Joined: 09 Feb 2008 Posts: 1

dkw12002@yahoo.com;406492 Wrote:
> We had a discussion a few months ago about steel cut oats, and after
> buying them on-sale for $2.56 for 24 oz. (Bob's Red Mill brand) when I
> could...otherwise they are $2.89 a package plus tax, I finally decided
> to buy them in bulk and ordered 50 pounds for $53 (including shipping,
> no tax) online at Honeyville Food. That price puts them at $1.66 for
> 24 oz. I just hope they aren't from China, or I might just feed them
> to my dog...no wait! Since I use 6-7 servings of oats a day, the 50
> pounds should last about 3 months. If anyone else buys bulk grains,
> what co. do you like. I've never done this before. dkw

In the next few days I am going to order a 50 lb. bag or organic steel
cut oats from naturalgrocers.com for $28.44 not including shipping.

I've never purchased anything from them previously so I can't say what
they are like, but if you are interested I'll let you know how the
transaction goes and how much it costs me for shipping.

I hadn't thought to ask what country the product is from, but I will do
that. Since it is certified organic, I would assume they are grown in
the U.S. The U.S. and Canada grow most of the world's oats from what
I've read.

I buy bulk as often as possible and then re-seal in smaller bags using
a food sealer to keep it fresh. It's worked great so far.

-----------------------------------------------
"Appreciate me now...and avoid the rush!"

--
EastTXisGr8

dkw12002 · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 242

On Feb 8, 7:26 pm, EastTXisGr8
wrote:
> dkw12...@yahoo.com;406492 Wrote:
>
> > We had a discussion a few months ago about steel cut oats, and after
> > buying them on-sale for $2.56 for 24 oz. (Bob's Red Mill brand) when I
> > could...otherwise they are $2.89 a package plus tax, I finally decided
> > to buy them in bulk and ordered 50 pounds for $53 (including shipping,
> > no tax) online at Honeyville Food. That price puts them at $1.66 for
> > 24 oz. I just hope they aren't from China, or I might just feed them
> > to my dog...no wait! Since I use 6-7 servings of oats a day, the 50
> > pounds should last about 3 months. If anyone else buys bulk grains,
> > what co. do you like. I've never done this before. dkw
>
> In the next few days I am going to order a 50 lb. bag or organic steel
> cut oats from naturalgrocers.com for $28.44 not including shipping.
>
> I've never purchased anything from them previously so I can't say what
> they are like, but if you are interested I'll let you know how the
> transaction goes and how much it costs me for shipping.
>
> I hadn't thought to ask what country the product is from, but I will do
> that. Since it is certified organic, I would assume they are grown in
> the U.S. The U.S. and Canada grow most of the world's oats from what
> I've read.
>
> I buy bulk as often as possible and then re-seal in smaller bags using
> a food sealer to keep it fresh. It's worked great so far.
>
> -----------------------------------------------
> "Appreciate me now...and avoid the rush!"
>
> --
> EastTXis

dkw12002 · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 242

On Feb 8, 7:26 pm, EastTXisGr8
wrote:
> dkw12...@yahoo.com;406492 Wrote:
>
> > We had a discussion a few months ago about steel cut oats, and after
> > buying them on-sale for $2.56 for 24 oz. (Bob's Red Mill brand) when I
> > could...otherwise they are $2.89 a package plus tax, I finally decided
> > to buy them in bulk and ordered 50 pounds for $53 (including shipping,
> > no tax) online at Honeyville Food. That price puts them at $1.66 for
> > 24 oz. I just hope they aren't from China, or I might just feed them
> > to my dog...no wait! Since I use 6-7 servings of oats a day, the 50
> > pounds should last about 3 months. If anyone else buys bulk grains,
> > what co. do you like. I've never done this before. dkw
>
> In the next few days I am going to order a 50 lb. bag or organic steel
> cut oats from naturalgrocers.com for $28.44 not including shipping.
>
> I've never purchased anything from them previously so I can't say what
> they are like, but if you are interested I'll let you know how the
> transaction goes and how much it costs me for shipping.
>
> I hadn't thought to ask what country the product is from, but I will do
> that. Since it is certified organic, I would assume they are grown in
> the U.S. The U.S. and Canada grow most of the world's oats from what
> I've read.
>
> I buy bulk as often as possible and then re-seal in smaller bags using
> a food sealer to keep it fresh. It's worked great so far.
>
> -----------------------------------------------
> "Appreciate me now...and avoid the rush!"
>
> --
> EastTXisGr8

Wow, that sounds like a really good price for Organic. I'm not into
organic, but still, when I get ready to order more, I might buy from
naturalgrocers. Thanks for the tip. dkw

Elizabeth Blake · Joined: 06 Oct 2007 Posts: 17

wrote in message @h11g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> We had a discussion a few months ago about steel cut oats, and
> after
> buying them on-sale for $2.56 for 24 oz. (Bob's Red Mill brand)
> when I
> could...otherwise they are $2.89 a package plus tax, I finally
> decided
> to buy them in bulk and ordered 50 pounds for $53 (including
> shipping,
> no tax) online at Honeyville Food. That price puts them at $1.66
> for
> 24 oz. I just hope they aren't from China, or I might just feed
> them
> to my dog...no wait! Since I use 6-7 servings of oats a day, the 50
> pounds should last about 3 months. If anyone else buys bulk grains,
> what co. do you like. I've never done this before. dkw

Wow! I love steel cut oats but at most have 1 serving a day for
breakfast. I go through different phases for breakfast. I might
have steel cut oatmeal every morning for a week, then switch to
Wheatena + added wheat bran, then move on to Egg Beaters with fat
free cheese, some type of lean protein and a slice of toast or low
carb tortilla. Breakfast is the one meal where I don't mind eating
the same foods over & over but 50 pounds would last me forever! I
usually buy a couple of pounds at a time from the bulk bins in health
food stores. I don't recall how much per pound I pay, but since I'm
running out I do plan on buying some more soon and will remember to
make note of the price.

--
Liz

dkw12002 · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 242

On Feb 8, 7:26 pm, EastTXisGr8
wrote:
> dkw12...@yahoo.com;406492 Wrote:
>
> > We had a discussion a few months ago about steel cut oats, and after
> > buying them on-sale for $2.56 for 24 oz. (Bob's Red Mill brand) when I
> > could...otherwise they are $2.89 a package plus tax, I finally decided
> > to buy them in bulk and ordered 50 pounds for $53 (including shipping,
> > no tax) online at Honeyville Food. That price puts them at $1.66 for
> > 24 oz. I just hope they aren't from China, or I might just feed them
> > to my dog...no wait! Since I use 6-7 servings of oats a day, the 50
> > pounds should last about 3 months. If anyone else buys bulk grains,
> > what co. do you like. I've never done this before. dkw
>
> In the next few days I am going to order a 50 lb. bag or organic steel
> cut oats from naturalgrocers.com for $28.44 not including shipping.
>
> I've never purchased anything from them previously so I can't say what
> they are like, but if you are interested I'll let you know how the
> transaction goes and how much it costs me for shipping.
>
> I hadn't thought to ask what country the product is from, but I will do
> that. Since it is certified organic, I would assume they are grown in
> the U.S. The U.S. and Canada grow most of the world's oats from what
> I've read.
>
> I buy bulk as often as possible and then re-seal in smaller bags using
> a food sealer to keep it fresh. It's worked great so far.
>
> -----------------------------------------------
> "Appreciate me now...and avoid the rush!"
>
> --
> EastTXisGr8

Hey, I looked further into the naturalgrocers website and there
appears to be a problem, perhaps. There's a note saying they are
relocating their bulk operation, so can't fill orders now, but offer
repacks. The repacks look cheap, BUT they are priced per pound, not
for the total wt. of the product and not including shipping, like you
said. If I figured it right, the 1.54 is a per pound price, making
organic oats selling much higher than it might seem, esp if you
include shipping. Comparing it to the Bob's that I have been buying at
2.56 for 24 oz., the organic steel cut from naturalgrocers sells for
roughly 2.31 plus shipping. Shipping, they say costs $4-8 for
shipments up to 25 pounds, so this looks a lot like a "bait and
switch" to me. If you can actually purchase the 50 lb. steel cut oats
for $29 plus shipping, even if that shipping turns out to be $16, I
will be surprised. Something too good to be true, usually is. Let me
know how it turns out. I can see them taking your credit card,
charging you, then not sending out anything on the 50 pound order. It
could even be they are crooks or going bankrupt. I am a cynical sort
though. This looks a lot like those offers for "free stuff" where you
only pay for shipping and handling...which turns out to be where they
stack the deck. Good luck. dkw

EastTXisGr8 · Joined: 11 Feb 2008 Posts: 1

Regarding Organic Steel cut oats and naturalgrocers.com
I was going to call them to order. Yes, it says they are relocating
their bulk, so I was going to see if I can at least get an order in at
that price. They also sell them in a 2.11 pound package (33.76 ounces)
for $1.54. I think that's per package not per pound - but I will ask
them that when I call them - hopefully tomorrow if I can get the time
or definitely by Tuesday. I'll let you know how it goes.
Thanks!

--------------------------------------
"I'm in shape. Round is a shape, isn't it?"

--
EastTXisGr8

dkw12002 · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 242

On Feb 11, 12:49 am, EastTXisGr8
wrote:
> Regarding Organic Steel cut oats and naturalgrocers.com
> I was going to call them to order. Yes, it says they are relocating
> their bulk, so I was going to see if I can at least get an order in at
> that price. They also sell them in a 2.11 pound package (33.76 ounces)
> for $1.54. I think that's per package not per pound - but I will ask
> them that when I call them - hopefully tomorrow if I can get the time
> or definitely by Tuesday. I'll let you know how it goes.
> Thanks!
>
> --------------------------------------
> "I'm in shape. Round is a shape, isn't it?"
>
> --
> EastTXisGr8

The 2.11 pound package is not 1.54; it is $1.54 per pound, making it
$3.25 plus about $4 shipping. $7.25 for that quantity of oats is no
deal. dkw

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