Vitamin supplements cause sleeplessness..

Ryan · Joined: 12 Feb 2008 Posts: 4

So I started to take 'One-A-Day Mens Health Formula' and I noticed that
the days I took the vitamin supplement that I stayed up longer.

The first night I didn't sleep at all. The second night till 4:00am
(typically go to sleep around 1:00am), as I started to think it was the
supplement I though I would do it every other day. Still I have a
harder time falling asleep when I take the vitamin supplement.

I'm curious as to why this might happen and looking for pointers if
anyone knows reference materials or facts even opinions that they would
be willing to share with me.

Thanks
Ryan

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Mr. Natural-Health · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 37

> I'm curious as to why this might happen and looking for pointers if
> anyone knows reference materials or facts even opinions that they would
> be willing to share with me.

mere coincidence does not establish causation
superstitious behavior
and just plain piss-poor self observational skills

Ryan · Joined: 12 Feb 2008 Posts: 4

Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
>> I'm curious as to why this might happen and looking for pointers if
>> anyone knows reference materials or facts even opinions that they would
>> be willing to share with me.
>
> mere coincidence does not establish causation
> superstitious behavior
> and just plain piss-poor self observational skills
>

Sure what type of scientist never has been wrong with a hypothesis. I
guess I better just dismiss my observations of this only happening when
taking the pills and prior experiences of taking vitamin C in large
doses. I might be wrong, I might not. What I'm asking for is
information that I can waste my own time with studying.

Like the simple information how of how do I test levels of vitamins in a
human body?

I guess if James Lind didn't suggest that lemons might stop scurvy
America might have better off from the English people, oh wait maybe
America wouldn't exist.

Anyway I hope I don't start a flame war I just want to get some general
direction to learn more, and if my observation is correct this might not
be the place to do it.

Mr-Natural-Health · Joined: 14 Feb 2008 Posts: 21

On Feb 14, 1:22 am, Ryan wrote:
> Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
> >> I'm curious as to why this might happen and looking for pointers if
> >> anyone knows reference materials or facts even opinions that they would
> >> be willing to share with me.
>
> > mere coincidence does not establish causation
> > superstitious behavior
> > and just plain piss-poor self observational skills
>
> Sure what type of scientist never has been wrong with a hypothesis. I
> guess I better just dismiss my observations of this only happening when
> taking the pills and prior experiences of taking vitamin C in large
> doses. I might be wrong, I might not. What I'm asking for is
> information that I can waste my own time with studying.
>
> Like the simple information how of how do I test levels of vitamins in a
> human body?
>
> I guess if James Lind didn't suggest that lemons might stop scurvy
> America might have better off from the English people, oh wait maybe
> America wouldn't exist.
>
> Anyway I hope I don't start a flame war I just want to get some general
> direction to learn more, and if my observation is correct this might not
> be the place to do it.

mere coincidence does not establish causation
superstitious behavior
and just plain piss-poor self observational skills

Mark Thorson · Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 344

Ryan wrote:
>
> Anyway I hope I don't start a flame war I just want to get
> some general direction to learn more, and if my observation
> is correct this might not be the place to do it.

I've noticed that too, but only if I take vitamins
late in the day. It's not all vitamins -- A, C, and E
don't bother me a bit. It seems to be the B vitamins
which interfere with sleep, but I can't say which one
or if it's only one.

I've noticed the same thing with eating protein,
so I avoid eating meat in the afternoon and evening.
I don't know why vitamins would cause sleeplessness,
but it's easy to understand why protein would.
Amino acids are precursors for important classes of
neurotransmitters. Having extra neurotransmitters
may contribute to having a busy brain that won't
let you go to sleep.

Mr-Natural-Health · Joined: 14 Feb 2008 Posts: 21

On Feb 14, 3:27 pm, Mark Thorson wrote:
> Ryan wrote:
>
> > Anyway I hope I don't start a flame war I just want to get
> > some general direction to learn more, and if my observation
> > is correct this might not be the place to do it.
>
> I've noticed that too, but only if I take vitamins
> late in the day. It's not all vitamins -- A, C, and E
> don't bother me a bit. It seems to be the B vitamins
> which interfere with sleep, but I can't say which one
> or if it's only one.

sleeplessness is experienced by many people.

late in the day is correlated with time to go to bed and thus
sleeplessness for many people.

correlating the taking of vitamins late in the day with sleeplessness
is the result of just plain piss poor self-observational skills.

Topics to research are: superstitious behavior, the scientific method

mere coincidence does not establish causation

Mr-Natural-Health · Joined: 14 Feb 2008 Posts: 21

On Feb 15, 4:12 pm, Mark Thorson wrote:
> Mr-Natural-Health wrote:
>
> > On Feb 14, 3:27 pm, Mark Thorson wrote:
> > > Ryan wrote:
>
> > > > Anyway I hope I don't start a flame war I just want to get
> > > > some general direction to learn more, and if my observation
> > > > is correct this might not be the place to do it.
>
> > > I've noticed that too, but only if I take vitamins
> > > late in the day. It's not all vitamins -- A, C, and E
> > > don't bother me a bit. It seems to be the B vitamins
> > > which interfere with sleep, but I can't say which one
> > > or if it's only one.
>
> > sleeplessness is experienced by many people.
>
> > late in the day is correlated with time to go to bed and thus
> > sleeplessness for many people.
>
> > correlating the taking of vitamins late in the day with sleeplessness
> > is the result of just plain piss poor self-observational skills.
>
> > Topics to research are: superstitious behavior, the scientific method
>
> The association between sleeplessness and vitamins
> has been reported in the scientific literature,
> but of course there's no way you would know that.

marginally significant?

Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

Shows that most research studies are absolutely useless. Those
researchers were simply grubbing for research money.

Show me a study that reports a major difference. Show me 5 other
studies that confirms that popping vitamins pills causes sleeplessness
and I still will have a good laugh.

I sleep like a baby. Vitamins have never caused sleeplessness in me.

Ryan · Joined: 12 Feb 2008 Posts: 4

Mark Thorson wrote:

>
> The association between sleeplessness and vitamins
> has been reported in the scientific literature,
> but of course there's no way you would know that.
>
>
> Sleep Med. 2007 Dec;9(1):27-32. Epub 2007 Sep 6.
> Vitamins and sleep: an exploratory study.
> Lichstein KL, Payne KL, Soeffing JP, Heith Durrence H,
> Taylor DJ, Riedel BW, Bush AJ.
> The University of Alabama, Department of Psychology,
> Sleep Research Project, Box 870348, Tuscaloosa, AL
> 35487-0348, USA.

Thanks Mark, the information is interesting and I will see if I can
find more info...maybe by contacting the publishers.

I do find it weird that my sleeplessness seems to coincide with the
ingestion of vitamin supplements however I don't know and find it curios
that its in the realm of possibility. The only vitamin supplements I
have taken to my memory have been the Mens One a Day and large amounts
of vitamin C when getting sick. I guess I could try purchasing each
vitamin separately and see if the effects are the same or different.

Regardless more information and the correct direction was my goal and
you provided it. Thanks!

Ryan

Ryan · Joined: 12 Feb 2008 Posts: 4

>
> marginally significant?

Do you have anything of significants?

>
> Ha, ... Hah, Ha!
>
> Shows that most research studies are absolutely useless. Those
> researchers were simply grubbing for research money.

Thanks for your opinion.

>
> Show me a study that reports a major difference. Show me 5 other
> studies that confirms that popping vitamins pills causes sleeplessness
> and I still will have a good laugh.

I though studies were absolute uselessness? Can you make up your mind?

>
> I sleep like a baby. Vitamins have never caused sleeplessness in me.

That is good in your case and I hope that continues. However your
observation of how vitamins affect your body isn't my only goal.

I think you have made your point that you do not believe this to be
possible and I have herd this.

Thanks for your input however I'm not sure why you would want to keep
pointing out that "vitamins can not cause sleeplessness in humans"
endless you think my statement is totally stupid. Which it fine I make
many of them or you work for the company that produces "One-A-Day Mens
Health Formula" and have something to gain to refute something that
could obviously be in the realm of possibility.

In any regards I'm done trying to make my point and could care further
as I understand your point of view. I have said what I wanted and would
just like to read up on the topic more.

Ryan

lily · Joined: 17 Feb 2008 Posts: 2

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Mr-Natural-Health · Joined: 14 Feb 2008 Posts: 21

On Feb 20, 6:11 am, lily wrote:
> Hi ,
> As we all know the side effect of medicine and importance of ayurveda.
> Many have faced with the bad effects of Medicines and are still
> suffering from the chronic diseases without getting relief. For this
> purpose we built a free service providing site for public awareness
> where you can suggest others your valuable advice and share your
> experiences to them who are convicted as the sufferer of Chemicals.
> Please join with us onhttp://rvita.com/Remedy/Ayurveda.html. I hope
> for the active participation of all.
> Regards
> lily

ayurveda medicine is extremely toxic. And, this fact has been very
well established in the literature. Of course, you wouldn't be aware
of the facts.

Just thought that you might want to get real.

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