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FOB



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:09 pm    Post subject: Water Reply with quote

Water crucial, but not filling
FITNESS MAGAZINE . February 19, 2008

You can stop chugging.

Studies show that drinking water before a meal has little effect on
how much you consume.
According to researchers at Pennsylvania State University, water-rich
foods, like soup or certain vegetables, can help quell hunger because they
are more filling than dry foods, for the same amount of calories.

Water fills the stomach less because it exits pretty rapidly. Still,
it's easy to mistake thirst for hunger, so we recommend having a glass of
water before you eat.

Another thing water doesn't do: speed up your metabolism. Water's
effect on metabolism is so minimal -- 10 to 15 calories max -- it works out
to less than a pound a year.

But for anti-aging, drink up: Lines on your face don't show as much
when you're hydrated because water fills cells to give the skin a more
supple appearance.

To detect dehydration, pinch the skin on the back of your hand. If you
are hydrated, the skin will spring right back. If it stays puckered, it's a
sign of dehydration -- meaning you don't have enough water in your body to
carry out normal functions.

So, how much do you need? Women should drink 90 ounces of fluid per
day. You get about 30 ounces from food, so the remaining 60 ounces (about
eight glasses) should come from beverages such as water, tea and
no-sugar-added juices.

And the more you exercise, the more fluid you'll need to keep your
body hydrated.




Find this article at:
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080219/FEATURES08/802190401













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Roger Zoul



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Water Reply with quote

"FOB" wrote in message $Pv2.24181@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net...
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> Water crucial, but not filling
> FITNESS MAGAZINE . February 19, 2008
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> You can stop chugging.

Yes, please stop chugging. It's so stupid and it doesn't help anyone but the
bottled water companies!

>
> Studies show that drinking water before a meal has little effect on
> how much you consume.

Food, right? Smile

> According to researchers at Pennsylvania State University, water-rich
> foods, like soup or certain vegetables, can help quell hunger because they
> are more filling than dry foods, for the same amount of calories.
>
> Water fills the stomach less because it exits pretty rapidly. Still,
> it's easy to mistake thirst for hunger, so we recommend having a glass of
> water before you eat.

Really? This is one I've never understood.

>
> Another thing water doesn't do: speed up your metabolism. Water's
> effect on metabolism is so minimal -- 10 to 15 calories max -- it works
> out
> to less than a pound a year.

Yeah, why would it since it just flows right through, mostly.

>
> But for anti-aging, drink up: Lines on your face don't show as much
> when you're hydrated because water fills cells to give the skin a more
> supple appearance.
>
> To detect dehydration, pinch the skin on the back of your hand. If
> you
> are hydrated, the skin will spring right back. If it stays puckered, it's
> a
> sign of dehydration -- meaning you don't have enough water in your body to
> carry out normal functions.

That's interesting.

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> So, how much do you need? Women should drink 90 ounces of fluid per
> day. You get about 30 ounces from food, so the remaining 60 ounces (about
> eight glasses) should come from beverages such as water, tea and
> no-sugar-added juices.
>

What, no coffee? Coffee is mostly water last time I checked. I bet they
hate coffee, huh?

> And the more you exercise, the more fluid you'll need to keep your
> body hydrated.
>

These kinds of statements serve to keep people chugging. Just listen to your
body. Satisfy your thirst!

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Jim



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Water Reply with quote

We hadn't had a "How Much Water to Drink" posting in a while.

I was about to ask why not, and then this one comes along.

I was thirsty for information on being thirsty and drinking water.

Thanks.

Won't need yet another drinking water post for a couple of months, now.

Amazing how this water stuff just keeps bubbling to the top every few
weeks.

Now we can revert to an old position of "drink when thirsty , but don't
guzzle for the sake of sacred quantity."

Just wait. Someone will want to change it in a few months.

"Eat, Drink, and be worried about doing it wrong."






FOB wrote:
> Water crucial, but not filling
> FITNESS MAGAZINE . February 19, 2008
>
> You can stop chugging.
>
> Studies show that drinking water before a meal has little effect on
> how much you consume.
> According to researchers at Pennsylvania State University, water-rich
> foods, like soup or certain vegetables, can help quell hunger because they
> are more filling than dry foods, for the same amount of calories.
>
> Water fills the stomach less because it exits pretty rapidly. Still,
> it's easy to mistake thirst for hunger, so we recommend having a glass of
> water before you eat.
>
> Another thing water doesn't do: speed up your metabolism. Water's
> effect on metabolism is so minimal -- 10 to 15 calories max -- it works out
> to less than a pound a year.
>
> But for anti-aging, drink up: Lines on your face don't show as much
> when you're hydrated because water fills cells to give the skin a more
> supple appearance.
>
> To detect dehydration, pinch the skin on the back of your hand. If you
> are hydrated, the skin will spring right back. If it stays puckered, it's a
> sign of dehydration -- meaning you don't have enough water in your body to
> carry out normal functions.
>
> So, how much do you need? Women should drink 90 ounces of fluid per
> day. You get about 30 ounces from food, so the remaining 60 ounces (about
> eight glasses) should come from beverages such as water, tea and
> no-sugar-added juices.
>
> And the more you exercise, the more fluid you'll need to keep your
> body hydrated.
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> Find this article at:
> http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080219/FEATURES08/802190401
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Aaron Baugher



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Water Reply with quote

"Roger Zoul" writes:

>> Water fills the stomach less because it exits pretty
>> rapidly. Still, it's easy to mistake thirst for hunger, so we
>> recommend having a glass of water before you eat.

> Really? This is one I've never understood.

Me either; I don't think thirst and hunger are anything alike. I drink
about a gallon of water a day, and it doesn't make me any less hungry.
If anything, when I'm drinking a lot of water, the speed with which it
goes through me makes me feel sort of "washed out" and hungrier than
when I drink less.



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trader4



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Water Reply with quote

On Feb 19, 11:09 am, "FOB" wrote:
>       Water crucial, but not filling
>       FITNESS MAGAZINE . February 19, 2008
>
>       You can stop chugging.
>
>       Studies show that drinking water before a meal has little effect on
> how much you consume.
>       According to researchers at Pennsylvania State University, water-rich
> foods, like soup or certain vegetables, can help quell hunger because they
> are more filling than dry foods, for the same amount of calories.


Another nicely worded statement that appears to contradict itself in
two sentences.



>
>       Water fills the stomach less because it exits pretty rapidly. Still,
> it's easy to mistake thirst for hunger, so we recommend having a glass of
> water before you eat.
>
>       Another thing water doesn't do: speed up your metabolism. Water's
> effect on metabolism is so minimal -- 10 to 15 calories max -- it works out
> to less than a pound a year.
>
>       But for anti-aging, drink up: Lines on your face don't show as much
> when you're hydrated because water fills cells to give the skin a more
> supple appearance.
>
>       To detect dehydration, pinch the skin on the back of your hand.. If you
> are hydrated, the skin will spring right back. If it stays puckered, it's a
> sign of dehydration -- meaning you don't have enough water in your body to
> carry out normal functions.
>
>       So, how much do you need? Women should drink 90 ounces of fluid per
> day. You get about 30 ounces from food, so the remaining 60 ounces (about
> eight glasses) should come from beverages such as water, tea and
> no-sugar-added juices.
>
>       And the more you exercise, the more fluid you'll need to keep your
> body hydrated.
>
>       Find this article at:
>      http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080219/FEATURES08/8...
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DigitalVinyl



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Water Reply with quote

"Roger Zoul" wrote:

>
>"FOB" wrote in message
>$Pv2.24181@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net...
>>
>> Water fills the stomach less because it exits pretty rapidly. Still,
>> it's easy to mistake thirst for hunger, so we recommend having a glass of
>> water before you eat.
>
>Really? This is one I've never understood.

I definitely recognized that confusion when I low carbed. SUddenly I
was thirsty, specifically thirsty. I was drinking more than before.
I've become conscious that I sometimes eat instead of drink, because I
can't tell the difference between hunger for food and thirst that
needs to be quenched. The body does extract water from food, and will
be aggressive about the extraction if you are dehydrated. That
aggressiveness results in constipation.

If I have coffee in the morning, I will have no hunger till lunchtime.
If I skip coffee, I can be very hungry by 9-10 AM.


>> So, how much do you need? Women should drink 90 ounces of fluid per
>> day. You get about 30 ounces from food, so the remaining 60 ounces (about
>> eight glasses) should come from beverages such as water, tea and
>> no-sugar-added juices.

Again there is that magic 8 glasses. I've yet to see any scientific
justification for that magic number. It has been around for 20 years
now but I've neer heard the science of why the body needs to drink a
half-gallon (if you assume small 8oz glasses). I imagine there might
be some back-calulation based upon moisture breathed out, but I
wouldn't think it accounts for 4 lbs of water + peeing out what
moisture is in food we eat..

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DigitalVinyl



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Water Reply with quote

"trader4@optonline.net" wrote:

>On Feb 19, 11:09 am, "FOB" wrote:
>>       Water crucial, but not filling
>>       FITNESS MAGAZINE . February 19, 2008
>>
>>       You can stop chugging.
>>
>>       Studies show that drinking water before a meal has little effect on
>> how much you consume.
>>       According to researchers at Pennsylvania State University, water-rich
>> foods, like soup or certain vegetables, can help quell hunger because they
>> are more filling than dry foods, for the same amount of calories.
>
>
>Another nicely worded statement that appears to contradict itself in
>two sentences.

I thought maybe it was me. The whole point of the article is refuted
by the third sentence.

Have to remember that Journalism is about writing the news-not
communicating information. News is news, it doesn't need inform.

DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)
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Low Carb started Jan 12, 2004.
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Hollywood



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Water Reply with quote

On Feb 20, 12:55 pm, Nina wrote:
> I'm with you on this. I find it easy to confuse hunger and thirst,
> although if you asked me to explain that, I doubt that I could put it
> into words. I also find that, for some reason, my thirst level is a
> LOT higher since I've been eating low carb. I don't know if there's
> some reason for that.

A layperson's (me) guess is that you're not holding so much water
anymore. Think about that initial weight loss on LC as your body
dumps the liver glycogen and the associated water. Maybe you go
through water faster on the LC. Would make sense with the
Eades and Atkins recommendations to drink until you float. Hasn't
been a problem for me on LC, ever.
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Jim



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Water Reply with quote

Nina wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:30:38 -0500, DigitalVinyl
> wrote:
>
>> "Roger Zoul" wrote:
>>
>>> "FOB" wrote in message
>>> $Pv2.24181@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net...
>>>> Water fills the stomach less because it exits pretty rapidly. Still,
>>>> it's easy to mistake thirst for hunger, so we recommend having a glass of
>>>> water before you eat.
>>> Really? This is one I've never understood.
>> I definitely recognized that confusion when I low carbed. SUddenly I
>> was thirsty, specifically thirsty. I was drinking more than before.
>> I've become conscious that I sometimes eat instead of drink, because I
>> can't tell the difference between hunger for food and thirst that
>> needs to be quenched. The body does extract water from food, and will
>> be aggressive about the extraction if you are dehydrated. That
>> aggressiveness results in constipation.
>>
>> If I have coffee in the morning, I will have no hunger till lunchtime.
>> If I skip coffee, I can be very hungry by 9-10 AM.
>
> I'm with you on this. I find it easy to confuse hunger and thirst,
> although if you asked me to explain that, I doubt that I could put it
> into words. I also find that, for some reason, my thirst level is a
> LOT higher since I've been eating low carb. I don't know if there's
> some reason for that.
>
>>>> So, how much do you need? Women should drink 90 ounces of fluid per
>>>> day. You get about 30 ounces from food, so the remaining 60 ounces (about
>>>> eight glasses) should come from beverages such as water, tea and
>>>> no-sugar-added juices.
>> Again there is that magic 8 glasses. I've yet to see any scientific
>> justification for that magic number. It has been around for 20 years
>> now but I've neer heard the science of why the body needs to drink a
>> half-gallon (if you assume small 8oz glasses). I imagine there might
>> be some back-calulation based upon moisture breathed out, but I
>> wouldn't think it accounts for 4 lbs of water + peeing out what
>> moisture is in food we eat.
>
> I also see, add another glass for every 25 lbs you're over goal
> weight, and I have NO idea what the logic of that is, either, although
> it does of course make some kind of sense that the bigger you are, the
> more hydration you need.
>
>

Then, wouldn't it follow if that if I were a "Little Person", say an
adult about 3' 8" high, and pretty far down in weight, then I should
subtract some glasses of water from the magic "8" glasses?

Then, wouldn't it follow that since large people should drink more, and
little people should drink less, then we ought to quit passing about the
BS about the "MAGIC 8" glasses as being universal or meaningful?

In the end, we certainly should drink what we need, but at least
differently sized people need different amounts.

People who work and sweat should also drink more. People who sweat
should drink more.

Stop with this "Magic 8" glasses.

It sounds as silly as the so called fact that "We only use 10% of our
brains", which is both widely believed by all kinds of folks, and
discredited nearly universally by those with formal training in brain
science.

Humans will find amazing logical "wisdom" where none exists. We are
programmed to desire explanations so strongly that we will make up
almost anything to satisfy that need.
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Jim



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:09 am    Post subject: Re: Water Reply with quote

Nina wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:17:16 -0600, Jim
> wrote:
>
>> Nina wrote:
>>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:30:38 -0500, DigitalVinyl
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Roger Zoul" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "FOB" wrote in message
>>>>> $Pv2.24181@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net...
>>>>>> Water fills the stomach less because it exits pretty rapidly. Still,
>>>>>> it's easy to mistake thirst for hunger, so we recommend having a glass of
>>>>>> water before you eat.
>>>>> Really? This is one I've never understood.
>>>> I definitely recognized that confusion when I low carbed. SUddenly I
>>>> was thirsty, specifically thirsty. I was drinking more than before.
>>>> I've become conscious that I sometimes eat instead of drink, because I
>>>> can't tell the difference between hunger for food and thirst that
>>>> needs to be quenched. The body does extract water from food, and will
>>>> be aggressive about the extraction if you are dehydrated. That
>>>> aggressiveness results in constipation.
>>>>
>>>> If I have coffee in the morning, I will have no hunger till lunchtime.
>>>> If I skip coffee, I can be very hungry by 9-10 AM.
>>> I'm with you on this. I find it easy to confuse hunger and thirst,
>>> although if you asked me to explain that, I doubt that I could put it
>>> into words. I also find that, for some reason, my thirst level is a
>>> LOT higher since I've been eating low carb. I don't know if there's
>>> some reason for that.
>>>
>>>>>> So, how much do you need? Women should drink 90 ounces of fluid per
>>>>>> day. You get about 30 ounces from food, so the remaining 60 ounces (about
>>>>>> eight glasses) should come from beverages such as water, tea and
>>>>>> no-sugar-added juices.
>>>> Again there is that magic 8 glasses. I've yet to see any scientific
>>>> justification for that magic number. It has been around for 20 years
>>>> now but I've neer heard the science of why the body needs to drink a
>>>> half-gallon (if you assume small 8oz glasses). I imagine there might
>>>> be some back-calulation based upon moisture breathed out, but I
>>>> wouldn't think it accounts for 4 lbs of water + peeing out what
>>>> moisture is in food we eat.
>>> I also see, add another glass for every 25 lbs you're over goal
>>> weight, and I have NO idea what the logic of that is, either, although
>>> it does of course make some kind of sense that the bigger you are, the
>>> more hydration you need.
>>>
>>>
>> Then, wouldn't it follow if that if I were a "Little Person", say an
>> adult about 3' 8" high, and pretty far down in weight, then I should
>> subtract some glasses of water from the magic "8" glasses?
>>
>> Then, wouldn't it follow that since large people should drink more, and
>> little people should drink less, then we ought to quit passing about the
>> BS about the "MAGIC 8" glasses as being universal or meaningful?
>>
>> In the end, we certainly should drink what we need, but at least
>> differently sized people need different amounts.
>>
>> People who work and sweat should also drink more. People who sweat
>> should drink more.
>>
>> Stop with this "Magic 8" glasses.
>>
>> It sounds as silly as the so called fact that "We only use 10% of our
>> brains", which is both widely believed by all kinds of folks, and
>> discredited nearly universally by those with formal training in brain
>> science.
>>
>> Humans will find amazing logical "wisdom" where none exists. We are
>> programmed to desire explanations so strongly that we will make up
>> almost anything to satisfy that need.
>
> I have to say that what really bugs me more than anything else is the
> assumption that all these magic formulas are linear. 25 lbs=8 oz more
> water, no matter how much more you weigh, etc. Same thing with
> calories, same thing with protein, etc. I *seriously* doubt that it
> really works this way, even if there is a direct and measurable
> relationship. But it's oh so easy to find a formula that works for
> the average, and incorrectly extrapolate that up or down.
>
>

I hope you didn't think I was attacking you. Actually, from your
response, it doesn't appear you took it that way at all.
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Harold Groot



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 6:47 am    Post subject: Re: Water Reply with quote

On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:17:16 -0600, Jim
wrote:

>It sounds as silly as the so called fact that "We only use 10% of our
>brains", which is both widely believed by all kinds of folks, and
>discredited nearly universally by those with formal training in brain
>science.

I believe that one was originally "We only know what 10% of the brain
is actually doing." That was based on traumatic injuries to the brain
that still left people alive - but missing some specific brain
function. Probably that 10% figure was true - 100 years or so ago.
It got misinterpretted to be "We only use 10% of our brain."

Once they got better diagnostic tools they were able to figure out
what the other brain parts were actually involved in - and without
damaging the brain to do it. With MRIs and CAT and PET scans and
other modern tools they could give a subject stimuli (images, words,
music, odors and so on) and map where brain activity suddenly
increased. But the old myth lingers.
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Jim



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:26 am    Post subject: Re: Water Reply with quote

Harold Groot wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:17:16 -0600, Jim
> wrote:
>
>> It sounds as silly as the so called fact that "We only use 10% of our
>> brains", which is both widely believed by all kinds of folks, and
>> discredited nearly universally by those with formal training in brain
>> science.
>
> I believe that one was originally "We only know what 10% of the brain
> is actually doing." That was based on traumatic injuries to the brain
> that still left people alive - but missing some specific brain
> function. Probably that 10% figure was true - 100 years or so ago.
> It got misinterpretted to be "We only use 10% of our brain."
>
> Once they got better diagnostic tools they were able to figure out
> what the other brain parts were actually involved in - and without
> damaging the brain to do it. With MRIs and CAT and PET scans and
> other modern tools they could give a subject stimuli (images, words,
> music, odors and so on) and map where brain activity suddenly
> increased. But the old myth lingers.
>
>

Sounds quite credible.

The version I used to hear had it that the 10% phrase was traced to some
advertising claim or other, and had no real basis behind it.

But, whatever the origin, it caught on and became endlessly repeated,
and lives even today in the minds of men and women who should be smart
enough not to buy into it.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 2:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Water Reply with quote

Jim wrote:

>Humans will find amazing logical "wisdom" where none exists. We are
>programmed to desire explanations so strongly that we will make up
>almost anything to satisfy that need.

Absolutely, and universally true. Its why humanity has spent ten
thousand years making up gods and industries around those gods to
worship at their feet. People are even willing to murder and die for
those made up gods. We will believe anything and kill to protect those
imagined beliefs. That's why it's so hard to get people to STOP
believing untruths. We desperate like to cling to whatever we were
first told.
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